‘Don’t blame rise in tipping on permits’ says Council

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Fly-tipping is on the increase across the district – but a new report claims it is not the fault of controversial Council changes.

Bradford Council started demanding to see residents’ permits at tips in July last year and began charging for bulky waste collections in September.

Opponents claimed the unpopular changes dissuaded people from getting rid of their waste properly and had caused a rise in fly-tipping.

But a new report going before a Council scrutiny committee says this is not so.

Ian Bairstow, strategic director for environment and sport, reveals that fly-tipping reports were already rising by the time the changes were introduced.

In the April-June period last year, the number of complaints and the number of clean-ups were both up around 35 per cent on the previous year, the report says.

Conversely, the actual volume of rubbish being fly-tipped was down, suggesting a larger number of small offences.

And the report says there is no long-term increase, but that the problem is cyclical and usually goes up and down over time. The report will go before the Environment and Waste Management Overview and Scrutiny Committee on Tuesday.

Committee chairman Councillor Martin Love (Green) said they had specifically asked for the matter to be looked into because of complaints about the Council’s permit scheme.

He said: “The issue of the increase in fly-tipping had been raised with us. There was an implication it had come about because of the Council introducing permits at the tips.

“We have got the report now and obviously we will be discussing it next week.

“But it seems the number of fly-tipping reports was on the up long before the permits were introduced.”

He said the committee would also be keen to scrutinise the number of people successfully prosecuted by the Council for fly-tipping.

From April to October 2013, the Council conducted 437 investigations. It sent out 581 warning letters, handed out 86 fixed-penalty fines and prosecuted eight people.

Coun Love said the level of prosecutions hinged on what evidence the authority could gather against perpetrators.

He said: “You have got to be able to get hold of evidence. If the evidence is among the rubbish that has been dumped, that helps. And, obviously, if people are spotted, that makes the search easier.”

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9:56am Wed 8 Jan 14

collos25 says...

Ian Bairstow, strategic director for environment and sport, reveals that fly-tipping
reports were already rising by the time the changes were introduced.

Perhaps the prices were to high in the first place .
Ian Bairstow, strategic director for environment and sport, reveals that fly-tipping reports were already rising by the time the changes were introduced. Perhaps the prices were to high in the first place . collos25
  • Score: 5

10:26am Wed 8 Jan 14

flogem says...

Can't blame the permit system as nobody asks to see them when you go to the tips.
Can't blame the permit system as nobody asks to see them when you go to the tips. flogem
  • Score: -9

11:16am Wed 8 Jan 14

Bradfordian1 says...

I don't know which recycle centre you use flogem but at Dowley Gap Bingley, the jobs worth is onto you like a rash asking to see your permit.
He even stands in heavy rain and demands to see it.
They've even started limiting how many bags of refuse you can take in a day.
Calderdale introduced this scheme years ago and saw a rise in fly tipping so I'm surprised that anyone's shocked - it was inevitable that fly tipping would increase.
I don't know which recycle centre you use flogem but at Dowley Gap Bingley, the jobs worth is onto you like a rash asking to see your permit. He even stands in heavy rain and demands to see it. They've even started limiting how many bags of refuse you can take in a day. Calderdale introduced this scheme years ago and saw a rise in fly tipping so I'm surprised that anyone's shocked - it was inevitable that fly tipping would increase. Bradfordian1
  • Score: 19

11:36am Wed 8 Jan 14

linebacker2 says...

2 big questions on this permit scheme that never get answered.

(1) Where do the people turned away for having no permit go with their rubbish?

(2) Was it a good idea to introduce this scheme at a time of rising fly-tipping?

Oh and for a bonus question..is it actually legal? From my understanding the legislation says the council must accept household waste free of charge from any resident - no mention of being council tax payers or permit holders.
2 big questions on this permit scheme that never get answered. (1) Where do the people turned away for having no permit go with their rubbish? (2) Was it a good idea to introduce this scheme at a time of rising fly-tipping? Oh and for a bonus question..is it actually legal? From my understanding the legislation says the council must accept household waste free of charge from any resident - no mention of being council tax payers or permit holders. linebacker2
  • Score: 13

11:59am Wed 8 Jan 14

angry bradfordian says...

linebacker2 wrote:
2 big questions on this permit scheme that never get answered.

(1) Where do the people turned away for having no permit go with their rubbish?

(2) Was it a good idea to introduce this scheme at a time of rising fly-tipping?

Oh and for a bonus question..is it actually legal? From my understanding the legislation says the council must accept household waste free of charge from any resident - no mention of being council tax payers or permit holders.
And the 3rd big question is why the brought in the scheme with only the flimsiest of evidence it was needed.

A couple of months ago the T&A reported that whilst the council had worked out how many people from outside Bradford used their tips, but had no idea how many Bradfordians were 'exporting' their waste.
It was nice to read that Leeds Council were happy to receive Bradford waste in the likes of Menston because it meant it was being recycled.
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: 2 big questions on this permit scheme that never get answered. (1) Where do the people turned away for having no permit go with their rubbish? (2) Was it a good idea to introduce this scheme at a time of rising fly-tipping? Oh and for a bonus question..is it actually legal? From my understanding the legislation says the council must accept household waste free of charge from any resident - no mention of being council tax payers or permit holders.[/p][/quote]And the 3rd big question is why the brought in the scheme with only the flimsiest of evidence it was needed. A couple of months ago the T&A reported that whilst the council had worked out how many people from outside Bradford used their tips, but had no idea how many Bradfordians were 'exporting' their waste. It was nice to read that Leeds Council were happy to receive Bradford waste in the likes of Menston because it meant it was being recycled. angry bradfordian
  • Score: 12

12:04pm Wed 8 Jan 14

yezboss says...

There is also a 'consultation' going on to close tips 2 days a week.
There is also a 'consultation' going on to close tips 2 days a week. yezboss
  • Score: 2

1:17pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

The whole thing is a waste of time, money and effort.

The fact the council are trying to commission reports on it to justify it seems they are unwilling to accept a mistake and remove it, so will plough on regardless.

If you make something harder to do no matter how hard or little effort extra is required, people won't do it.

Many will watch crap on the TV because they can't reach the remote control, so why will they go out their way to apply for a permit?
The whole thing is a waste of time, money and effort. The fact the council are trying to commission reports on it to justify it seems they are unwilling to accept a mistake and remove it, so will plough on regardless. If you make something harder to do no matter how hard or little effort extra is required, people won't do it. Many will watch crap on the TV because they can't reach the remote control, so why will they go out their way to apply for a permit? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 8

1:30pm Wed 8 Jan 14

bd7 helper says...

You get told how much you can recycle
You get told how much you can recycle bd7 helper
  • Score: -2

3:27pm Wed 8 Jan 14

flogem says...

Bradfordian1 wrote:
I don't know which recycle centre you use flogem but at Dowley Gap Bingley, the jobs worth is onto you like a rash asking to see your permit.
He even stands in heavy rain and demands to see it.
They've even started limiting how many bags of refuse you can take in a day.
Calderdale introduced this scheme years ago and saw a rise in fly tipping so I'm surprised that anyone's shocked - it was inevitable that fly tipping would increase.
They weren't checking them this tuesday at Dowley Gap.They don't bother checking them at the Midland road one.
[quote][p][bold]Bradfordian1[/bold] wrote: I don't know which recycle centre you use flogem but at Dowley Gap Bingley, the jobs worth is onto you like a rash asking to see your permit. He even stands in heavy rain and demands to see it. They've even started limiting how many bags of refuse you can take in a day. Calderdale introduced this scheme years ago and saw a rise in fly tipping so I'm surprised that anyone's shocked - it was inevitable that fly tipping would increase.[/p][/quote]They weren't checking them this tuesday at Dowley Gap.They don't bother checking them at the Midland road one. flogem
  • Score: -3

4:11pm Wed 8 Jan 14

collos25 says...

How to make throwing rubbish away so complicated and cost so much money, makes you realize when they get something complicated why they get it wrong so many times.
How to make throwing rubbish away so complicated and cost so much money, makes you realize when they get something complicated why they get it wrong so many times. collos25
  • Score: 4

4:32pm Wed 8 Jan 14

vikksy says...

I use the Midland rd tip regularly. I have never been asked once to show my pass.
I use the Midland rd tip regularly. I have never been asked once to show my pass. vikksy
  • Score: -1

7:26pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Banni2 says...

Every time I have been to the Midland Road site I have seen what appears to be ethnic people disposing of building materials from the back of private cars.

This site appears to be used by " buy to let " landlords. to save money on renting skips.

I have only been checked once on entering the site by a woman at the very start of the new system.

If we are to have a permit system then it should be enforced for all and business people should not be allowed or scrap the system and let's have a free for all.
Every time I have been to the Midland Road site I have seen what appears to be ethnic people disposing of building materials from the back of private cars. This site appears to be used by " buy to let " landlords. to save money on renting skips. I have only been checked once on entering the site by a woman at the very start of the new system. If we are to have a permit system then it should be enforced for all and business people should not be allowed or scrap the system and let's have a free for all. Banni2
  • Score: 2

9:20pm Wed 8 Jan 14

micela22 says...

Use Queensbury & was waved through, without being asked for any pass - which I haven`t got yet - 1 should have accompanied my council tax bill
Use Queensbury & was waved through, without being asked for any pass - which I haven`t got yet - 1 should have accompanied my council tax bill micela22
  • Score: 0

9:25pm Wed 8 Jan 14

alive and awake says...

yezboss wrote:
There is also a 'consultation' going on to close tips 2 days a week.
Can I suggest if the tips are to close 2 days per week that Saturday and Sunday might be best, you know just to p** s Bradford rate payers off a bit more. I'll bet money thisas even been suggested, probably by the nincumpulp who came up with the permit idea.
[quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: There is also a 'consultation' going on to close tips 2 days a week.[/p][/quote]Can I suggest if the tips are to close 2 days per week that Saturday and Sunday might be best, you know just to p** s Bradford rate payers off a bit more. I'll bet money thisas even been suggested, probably by the nincumpulp who came up with the permit idea. alive and awake
  • Score: 1

9:29pm Wed 8 Jan 14

alive and awake says...

Banni2 wrote:
Every time I have been to the Midland Road site I have seen what appears to be ethnic people disposing of building materials from the back of private cars.

This site appears to be used by " buy to let " landlords. to save money on renting skips.

I have only been checked once on entering the site by a woman at the very start of the new system.

If we are to have a permit system then it should be enforced for all and business people should not be allowed or scrap the system and let's have a free for all.
Etnics seem to be able to do what they want in this Country.
[quote][p][bold]Banni2[/bold] wrote: Every time I have been to the Midland Road site I have seen what appears to be ethnic people disposing of building materials from the back of private cars. This site appears to be used by " buy to let " landlords. to save money on renting skips. I have only been checked once on entering the site by a woman at the very start of the new system. If we are to have a permit system then it should be enforced for all and business people should not be allowed or scrap the system and let's have a free for all.[/p][/quote]Etnics seem to be able to do what they want in this Country. alive and awake
  • Score: 1

9:34pm Wed 8 Jan 14

alive and awake says...

bd7 helper wrote:
You get told how much you can recycle
If recycling is such a good thing, mmmm, we should be encouraged to tip as much as possible. If its not a good thing then stop it NOW!
[quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: You get told how much you can recycle[/p][/quote]If recycling is such a good thing, mmmm, we should be encouraged to tip as much as possible. If its not a good thing then stop it NOW! alive and awake
  • Score: 0

10:44pm Wed 8 Jan 14

lazybeat says...

its increased because the number of uneducated morons have increased across the district.
its increased because the number of uneducated morons have increased across the district. lazybeat
  • Score: 0

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